postmodernism over?

topic posted Thu, January 11, 2007 - 2:48 PM by  mark
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I'm wondering what you make of this:

www.philosophynow.org/issue58...irby.htm
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  • Pomo is over, the spectacle is not

    Fri, January 12, 2007 - 3:27 AM
    The author is certainly correct when he says that the culture we now inhabit is different than the one which produced classical postmodernism. And I think he has correctly identified the crucial difference, interactivity. The rest of his article is essentially an elitist elegy for the "good old days" of postmodernism. Its first defect is that, while it has hope for "pseudo-modernism", it is ignorant of any quality work being done in this milieu. The second is that I think his pessimism is misplaced; what makes "pseudo-modernism" disturbing is not that it is a radical break from past media but that it is rather a more powerful and immersive media: text vs. hypertext.

    For example: "A culture based on these things can have no memory – certainly not the burdensome sense of a preceding cultural inheritance which informed modernism and postmodernism. Non-reproducible and evanescent, pseudo-modernism is thus also amnesiac: these are cultural actions in the present moment with no sense of either past or future." For Kirby, improvisation is the same as amnesia. He confuses the act of playing or participating in the work with the work itself. For example, there is a small but enthusiastic subculture of video game emulation, where the hardware of old video game systems is reproduced as software, and one can play old video games on computers. Also, it is quite common for people to record video game performances for later viewing. There is, like theater, a "live" element to games, but this does not make them any more amnesiac than it makes theater amnesiac.

    Prof. Kirby doesn't mince words when it comes to elitism: "The pseudo-modern era, at least so far, is a cultural desert." The reference to "dance music" (by which he apparently means all electronic music) is especially pompous. I hope most people here have enough of a clue to know that there exists very intelligent and enduring electronic music. This is perhaps evident enough in the the author's uncertain movement from labeling it "70's and 80's" (i.e. obsolete) music to calling it the forerunner of "pseudo-modern" music, and also the sloppy comparison he draws there between the structure of dance music and the contemporary forms of consumption of music.

    Interactive media is a largely uncharted terrain with much promise, as Kirby himself admits. The mainstream is, as it was in the postmodern era -- and has been since the invention of mass media -- *is* rather vacuous. But there are plenty of intelligent video games and other interactive art being made. It is unfortunate that Prof. Kirby didn't bother to research them. The blog Grand Text Auto is a good resource in this regard: grandtextauto.gatech.edu/ I also moderate a tribe "new media art" -- newmedia.tribe.net

    The second and more troubling error in this article is the suggestion that the spectacle (by which I assume he's referring to Situationism) is no longer to be seen in the media:

    Postmodernism conceived of contemporary culture as a spectacle before which the individual sat powerless, and within which questions of the real were problematised. It therefore emphasised the television or the cinema screen. Its successor, which I will call pseudo-modernism, makes the individual’s action the necessary condition of the cultural product.

    Debord has this to say about the spectacle:

    The spectacle is ideology par excellence, because it exposes and manifests in its fullness the essence of all ideological systems: the impoverishment, servitude and negation of real life. The spectacle is materially "the expression of the separation and estrangement between man and man." Through the "new power of fraud," concentrated at the base of the spectacle in this production, "the new domain of alien beings to whom man is subservient... grows coextensively with the mass of objects." It is the highest stage of an expansion which has turned need against life. "The need for money is thus the real need produced by political economy, and the only need it produces" (Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts). The spectacle extends to all social life the principle which Hegel (in the Realphilosophie of Jena) conceives as the principle of money: it is "the life of what is dead, moving within itself."

    Viewed in this way, the virtual reality of "pseudo-modernism" is a spectacle -- indeed a preeminently powerful one precisely because the participation of the audience draws them deeper into the illusion and farther away from reality. As Kirby says, "pseudo-modernism takes the world away, by creating a new weightless nowhere of silent autism" and "Pseudo-modernism is of course consumerist and conformist, a matter of moving around the world as it is given or sold." Kirby is practically quoting from "The Society of the Spectacle" there.
    • Re: Pomo is over, the spectacle is not

      Sat, January 13, 2007 - 3:35 PM
      Thank you Patrick. I read your post with great interest and appreciation.

      I found Kirby's article refreshing in some respects, mainly his stating that the culture has moved on from postmodernism which is now a historical event. Also I was interested to read his thought that people were incapable of the disbelief of grand narratives. Otherwise, yes, Kirby did go on a bit of rant! Still if one were looking for a counter argument to postmodernism its unimportance seems a killer blow.

      "Performatism" has been suggested as The Next Big Thing. But I wonder whether it's best to ignore the whole post-post mess entirely. What do you think?
      • Re: Pomo is over, the spectacle is not

        Tue, January 16, 2007 - 7:04 PM
        Thank you, Mark, I'm glad you you it interesting. You write,

        "But I wonder whether it's best to ignore the whole post-post mess entirely. What do you think? "

        I think Natalie's post points out the futility of trying to discuss the death of postmodernism. By its very nature, postmodernism is notoriously difficult to define and is opposed to any sort of generalizations. I'm reminded of the so-called "postmodernist drinking game":

        " RULE ONE: If *anyone*, at any *time*, for any *reason*, believes in, supports, or likes a person, place, or idea, it's only because they haven't uncovered the fundamental contradictions underlying it and you are allowed to laugh at them because they are Less Jaded than you.

        QUALIFICATION ONE: If *everyone* disbelieves in, attacks, or dislikes a person, place, or idea, it's only because they haven't uncovered the fundamental contradictions underlying that disbelief, and you may support that person, place, or idea, *and* you are allowed to laugh at the other players because they are Less Perceptive than you.

        COROLLARY: anyone who explains the rules is a MODERNIST PIG.

        Have a drink. "

        So postmodernism seems to have collapsed under the weight of its own esotericism, and also has perhaps become a little too successful in its attack on narrative, so that there are hardly any grand narratives left in which to not believe. I think it's better to just look to the future and embrace the theory and art that is genuinely progressive, rather than attempting to write a history of postmodernism.
        • Re: Pomo is over, the spectacle is not

          Wed, January 17, 2007 - 12:19 PM
          Ha ha! Patrick, I loved the pomo drinking game. Also I'm intrigued by your reference to genuinely progressive theory. Any tips on what I should look for?

          • Re: Pomo is over, the spectacle is not

            Sun, January 21, 2007 - 1:56 AM
            Well, personally these are some of the things I'm interested in...

            I'm Catholic so the introduction of the phenomenological method into Christian theology, see for example this book: www.amazon.com/Phenomenol...709-2879968

            and also the book "The Erotic Phenomenon" by Jean-Luc Marion I mentioned in a post a few weeks ago (feel free to ignore my subsequent rantings..)

            Bruno Latour has an interesting take on postmodernism in that he argues that Modernity itself is or was an illusion, a story told to bolster industrialism and the bourgeoisie (or communism, which turned out to be rather similar) and repress religion and tradition. The dramatic break with the past suggested in the very word "modern" never actually occured, according to Latour in this book: www.amazon.com/We-Have-Ne...709-2879968

            Latour also wrote a brilliant essay in Critical Inquiry (winter 2004, vol. 30 no. 2) in which he takes on the whole project of critique; it is a brilliant critique of critique (the latter critique being the leftist attacks on claims to certainty in science, grand narratives, etc. that constitute a part of postmodernism, i.e. the critique of modernism). A short excerpt of this essay is online: criticalinquiry.uchicago.edu/iss...html

            In art, the use of computers as an artistic medium. www.amazon.com/New-Media-...709-2879968

            above book is a good introduction. The same editors worked on this new book looking at games as (among other things) art: grandtextauto.gatech.edu/2007/...-sale/

            "Generation Ecstasy" is a good intro to popular electronic music: www.amazon.com/Generation...709-2879968

            also in terms of music there seems to be a resurgence, in Germany at least, in interest in European folk music, often updated with electronic flairs and labeled neo-classical or neo-medieval. for example the Miroque series ( www.miroque.de/ ) In my opinion Ataraxia are the masters of this style ( www.ataraxia.net/ )

            This development points indirectly to the resurgence of religion in the wake of the "disenchantment" of the world brought about by the increasing ability of science to explain (or "demystify") things that once were mysteries. Der Spiegel has been running a series on the growth of religion: www.spiegel.de/internatio...500,00.html

            Finally, the recent speech by Pope Benedict XVI which caused so much controversies in the press has had its actual thesis largely ignored by the press. That is, the argument that "scientia" can encompass more than equations and experiments, or, to put it another way, that the department of theology has more than a purely historical contribution to make in the university. The text of that speech: www.vatican.va/holy_fathe...urg_en.html
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      Re: Pomo is over, the spectacle is not

      Sun, January 14, 2007 - 6:35 AM
      Patrick,

      I appreciated your assessment of this article, insofar as you break down the generalizations one by one. I'm finding that the question of the "death of theory" and "the end of postmodernism" are sort of absurd -- as if you can generalize about these terms as categories that include a homogeneous set of ideas. Really, the terms cover a heterogeneous set of cultural practices and theories, and so any critique of the paradigms must be accompanied with a particular critique of particular authors and ideas (and their influence on new paradigms)...something that this new wave of criticism has yet to address.

      At least that's what I'm finding. :)

      --Natalie--

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