hello all, i'm new here. was wondering-
anyone read the flies and interested in starting a discussion? i'm reading it for my Nietzsche class-we are studying his infuence on various philosopher/artists...so any connections between the two would lovely.
i noticed that towards the end, orestes began to sound a lot like zarathustra-who was also high on his mountain top-(proclaiming the death of god, the way that orestes is practically spitting in zeus' face) trying to free the world through his trails, and not really feeling any remorse as far as i can recall. did both endure/venture into solitude for the sake of ridding the world of their flies? is this the meaning of wisdom?-to take the world's remorse upon our shoulders and prove it unreal/(of our own design)?
or-has anyone read the immoralist, by gide and also has read nietzsche?
lizzy
anyone read the flies and interested in starting a discussion? i'm reading it for my Nietzsche class-we are studying his infuence on various philosopher/artists...so any connections between the two would lovely.
i noticed that towards the end, orestes began to sound a lot like zarathustra-who was also high on his mountain top-(proclaiming the death of god, the way that orestes is practically spitting in zeus' face) trying to free the world through his trails, and not really feeling any remorse as far as i can recall. did both endure/venture into solitude for the sake of ridding the world of their flies? is this the meaning of wisdom?-to take the world's remorse upon our shoulders and prove it unreal/(of our own design)?
or-has anyone read the immoralist, by gide and also has read nietzsche?
lizzy
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Re: the flies, nietzsche, andre gide
Fri, April 15, 2005 - 10:04 PMMy understanding of The Flies was that Orestes was fighting against the communal guilt of the people of Argos. To Sartre, I think, remorse is a recognition that something bad has happened, without truly owning that experience. Orestes recognizes that this diffuse sense of guilt is pathological.
Like Zarathustra, Orestes takes his actions into his own hands, and owns those actions completely. He does not feel remorse, but he does feel intense anguish. This feeling of responsibility for taking a life is very real, and as long as he remains an authentic human being, he will never be free of it. The difference between remorse and anguish is that remorse is expressing a wish that you hadn't done something, and anguish is taking full responsibility for doing something that you know had some negative effects (even if it was the best possible choice).
