deleuze

topic posted Tue, June 29, 2004 - 9:00 PM by  brendan
i want to lure others into the wild and delicious world of gilles deleuze. i would therefore like to be able to direct people to his most accessible work. however, as i myself have only read anti-oedipus, the better part of a thousand plateaus, and assorted shorter works, i don't think i am qualified to state which of his books is the most accessible. opinions?

(of course, i would also like to read whatever it is myself.)

also: same question, but re: guattari.
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brendan
SF Bay Area
  • Re: deleuze

    Mon, July 5, 2004 - 3:22 AM
    I want to read the work of Deleuze time ago, once I knew a group that studied him, but finally I don't enter... Now, with the references in a book by Peter Sloterdijk (conversations with Hans-Jürgen Heinrichs), this desire has grows and..., I think now is the time! "Mille Plateaux", in colaboration with Guattari, is the best begining? Thanks, Brendan.
  • Re: deleuze

    Tue, July 6, 2004 - 9:44 AM
    postscript to the society of control is a good one to get peopel interested these days.
    • Re: deleuze

      Sun, July 11, 2004 - 8:15 PM
      Brendan,
      I read "Anti-Oedipus" before I read "A Thousand Plateaus", but between the two, I read a good commentary on Deleuze that helped me get a handle on the thinker. I wish I could recall the work, but I can't.
      But the work of Deleuze that I found the most captivating was first, his work on Nietzche and second, "The Logic of Sense".

      Gilton
  • Re: deleuze

    Thu, July 29, 2004 - 6:30 PM
    michael hardt's book, Deleuze: an apprenticeship in philosophy is superb , but goes only up to nietzsche. i would start with thousand gateaux (pynchon refers to it as d+g's book of italian wedding cakes in Vineland) just because it's so damned freaky. it'll take years to figure out what deleuze is up to. for the hardcore, difference and repetition is the crux and the shit, but it's hard hard hard...
    • Re: deleuze

      Fri, July 30, 2004 - 3:05 AM
      Difference and repetition is hard?? I don't know then..., for begin..., what book? Thousand Gateaux, maybe...

      Adrian, you know the work-series by Bernhard Lang "Differenz/Wiederholung"? Try it..., a real experiencie...
      • Re: deleuze

        Fri, July 30, 2004 - 12:54 PM
        dont know that one, it's been a while since i've read german and not sure i can do it..

        diff/rep is hard, but well worth the pay off, i think.

        has anybody here read it?
  • Re: deleuze

    Thu, February 3, 2005 - 8:53 PM
    "Introduction: Rhizome" and "Nomadology" are good places to start in _A Thousand Plateaus_. Not necessarily the most accessible, but certainly some of the most sexy.

    I just finished reading _Dialogues II_ by Deleuze and his student Claire Parnet. Very accessible for Deleuze, but still a quite incredible text. I'd say its a good place to start, and I was reading it in the context of a class on postmodern theory where most of the students weren't initially familiar with Deleuze.
  • Re: deleuze

    Fri, February 11, 2005 - 11:33 AM
    "Anti-Oedipus" was written by Deleuze and Guattari as a work directed to highschool age kids (!), so it's a good place to start. If you have any familiarity with any of the philosophers on w hom Deleuze wrote monographs (Hume, Spinoza, Kant, Foucault, Bergson), these might be better places to start.

    BTW, there's an outstanding new introductory book on Deleuze--"Deleuze: an Introduction" by Todd May. This book stands far above the shoulders of any other introductory book on Deleuze's thought--it is the clearest and most philosophically rigorous of the lot. It even manages to make very good sense of the nightmare of "Difference and Repetition" (which is Deleuze's most difficult book, in my opinion--largely because he is doing very ground level and abstract ontology in it). Good luck!

    Mandel
    • Re: deleuze

      Fri, February 11, 2005 - 12:04 PM
      Eric Alliez's book on D&G is out now too, while not aimed at the same audience as May's book, it is also a pretty good introduction to D&G.

      To get to some of the issues in Difference and Repitition in a slightly less oblique way, i like alain badiou's book Deleuze.
      • Re: deleuze

        Mon, May 2, 2005 - 9:21 AM
        There's been a lot of criticism of Badiou's understanding of Deleuze's one/multiplicity though, no? That's the impression I have. I have that Badiou but havent yet read it.

        I quite enjoyed the small Pure Immanence.
        • Re: deleuze

          Mon, May 2, 2005 - 6:28 PM
          1000 gateaux... sign me up! *l*

          Everyone seems to be talking Deleuze these days, and while I love the rhizome image... I've had a really hard time figuring out what's so great about him (all I know about difference and repetition I learned from Derrida).

          Anyone want to take a shot at why he's so interesting?
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            Re: deleuze

            Wed, December 21, 2005 - 11:13 AM
            this is where ive gotten with the idea of the rhizome applied to gay marriage debates...but my analysis has a heafty Foucauldian tone throughout so that is my bias. let me know what y'all think of this:

            Some Thoughts on the Use of Rhizomatics for thinking/practicing Queer Kinship

            nodal point: i think that D/G are best thought of as providing tactics/strategies of thought-action rather than meta-theories.

            connection: they offer some of the most refreshing thinking about agency, politics, identities, social groups in space-time.

            preface-in-the-wrong-place: this is off the top of my head; the best i can offer at the moment while on holiday; a few thoughts on the queer uses of rhizomes.

            nodal point: to think of queer rhizomatics as the multiple connections of queer kinship--our different/differing relationships and socialities. we can, i think, include the variations in sexual partnerships, friendships, familial-type structures, etc. as ways in which we make connections that challenge/disrupt/sabotage in a virological way the MOLAR (Institutionaliz(ed)ing) structures such as MARRIAGE CEREMONIES and MARRIAGE LICENSES.

            connection: However, we cannot think of these Molar structur(es)izations as 100% purely molar organizing functions linked ONLY to fascist desires for the control of our bodies/minds/lives/identities/libidos.

            nodal point: if we understand molecular revolutions to be the mulitiplication of possible experiences/expressions of one's desires/identities that, cumulatively, disrupt the flow of the molar organ-izing of these experiences/expressions

            connection: then one could view the challenges to church/state relations as well as challenges to the State structure of granting social goods to married persons, as so many molecular revolutions against the organizing function of the State and Religious Institutions with regard to marriage (understood in its historical-material terms as specific machinic conduits of moral and economic power over/within/among bodies-pleasures).

            nodal point: BUT these virological disruptions of the molar institutions define and give value to certain kinship forms over others and, whether as intended or unintended consequences, foreclose/organ-ize forms of sociality over others so....

            connection: one might read groups and movements that support same-sex marriage as a disruption of the lines of power that disrupt but do not radically challenge them.

            nodal point: we can look for lines of flight that alter our thinking/experience of sociality. in other words, perhaps the line of flight would be the same as thinking the impossibility of sociality.

            connection: do we now need to get all Jean-Luc Nancy on each other and talk about being-singluar-plural rather than as BwOs? perhaps J-L N offers some ways of thinking difference about sociality; perhaps it's Judy Butler that can offer some help along the way.

            nodal point: is any one out there, is any group of folks out there experiences lines of flight with regard to sociality?
            and the points of connections shall continue with this thread......

            anyway, just current thoughts running through my head and out to my fingers....not a closing, but an extended opening.............
            ..........
            ..........
            • Re: deleuze

              Wed, January 4, 2006 - 7:57 AM
              there's some possibility that what you're proposing could be worked out. but there's a stronger risk i think that molecular relations that appear in the molar form "marriage" will assume the content/affirmations/purposes of that form: that is, "nuclear" relations and arrangement... thoughts?
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                Re: deleuze

                Wed, January 11, 2006 - 1:29 PM
                oh i most heartedly agree with you. that is why the avowal of lines of flight is both a warning and a tactical aid. that is why i assert the necessity of thinking/acting out the impossibility of sociality. i believe that guy hocquenghem is most helpful here when one is trying to look for practical application of these ideas (cf his Homosexual Desire and the reconstruction of polymorphous perversity in Freud through Marx and Deleuze/Guattari).
                • lines of flight

                  Thu, January 25, 2007 - 3:42 AM
                  When you say "avowal of lines of flight" do you assume that the "lines" are "negative"? To put it clearer do you understand "flight" as something similar to "avoidance"? because Deleuze quite clearly disclaimed that acception of the term. "Fuir" can mean "to flee" but it can also mean "to leak" "to have a leak". In order to reject the negative connotations relating to the term "fuir", and to make his point clearer he said that it was to be understood as "to leak as a pipe leaks" ("fuir comme un tuyau" in "Dialogues" with Claire Parnet, if my memory is correct). So this does not have to do with escapism but rather with something new, unexpected and in a sense originally uncalled for, that takes place in an already existent structure thus creating something new that will ultimately lead somewhere else. it has to do with creativity vs what is already there! "Faire fuir" (to cause to "fuir", leak-flee, fly?)is something we do as soon as we're alive...

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