http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#9668d3c5-9e10-4cc7-a4f9-3ef173ccccdf i liked franz kafka's writings on america, e.g. the second part of "the sons" and "amerika". they'd qualify imo as a precursor to post-structuralism. Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:44:51 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#9668d3c5-9e10-4cc7-a4f9-3ef173ccccdf ... 2006-11-06T06:44:51Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#d8faf9d9-409f-4498-91de-5ce7c2f4505f Here you go. http://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Time-Terror-Dialogues-Habermas/dp/0226066665/sr=8-1/qid=1161732287/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-0251362-2073733?ie=UTF8&s=books It's mostly two independent essays by the authors, not a joint project. It was interesting as a peace gesture after long, public acrimony. Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:26:12 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#d8faf9d9-409f-4498-91de-5ce7c2f4505f barnaby 2006-10-24T23:26:12Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#00c908a2-c2c8-4d9c-8a1c-9aadfe5aa709 really? wow. can you send a reference? Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:31:14 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#00c908a2-c2c8-4d9c-8a1c-9aadfe5aa709 kalsang 2006-10-24T17:31:14Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#07b9b8ab-eecd-4bbe-9d99-887071539ea3 Derrida and Habermas co-wrote a book on life after the September 11th attacks--both had been in NYC just a couple of weeks before, and that perspective informed the book. I haven't read the book yet. But, that's another book to add to this list. Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:59:22 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#07b9b8ab-eecd-4bbe-9d99-887071539ea3 Clint 2006-10-24T02:59:22Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#291dfcfd-af78-43fa-a5ba-dafaadfeddb3 There's a great book on French intellectual writing about america if interested I'll dig up the reference. Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:42:40 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#291dfcfd-af78-43fa-a5ba-dafaadfeddb3 Douglas 2006-10-24T01:42:40Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#84490c5f-2d72-44f9-8c1b-b69c7e2f85f4 > I can't read very much of that guy without getting annoyed by all the games he plays. Cheri, he's a French philosophe, and you want him not to play games. Sacre bleu, what a concept! Mon, 29 May 2006 02:11:44 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#84490c5f-2d72-44f9-8c1b-b69c7e2f85f4 kalsang 2006-05-29T02:11:44Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#885cbae3-34b6-46fe-a08b-6b9a0893e2ba this thread is hilarious. rachael: re: BHL-- i saw him on charlie rose a little while, and also got the superficial insight vibe (kind of like zizek through a valium haze). who is this guy? has he done anything worthwhile, or is he just the flavor of the month. Sat, 27 May 2006 07:41:07 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#885cbae3-34b6-46fe-a08b-6b9a0893e2ba brendan 2006-05-27T07:41:07Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#64574307-0466-4f41-8ad6-8cd0d80b56a4 Mais OUI <smacking self on head with hand>. It WAS Baudrillard. MERCI a tous et a toutes! Thank you. I'm off to France in a couple of weeks and will dash into Fnac and grab a copy for the flight back. Super. BTW I flipped through BHL's tome on America and found it vaguely irritating and full of superficial pseudo-insight. For example, "The banks in America look like churches, but this church looked like a bank." What kind of churches in France look like American banks? It seems to me this type of thing is just a cheap shot. Sat, 27 May 2006 05:55:56 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#64574307-0466-4f41-8ad6-8cd0d80b56a4 kalsang 2006-05-27T05:55:56Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#39aff019-f18c-40d8-af34-7eecdc253449 Baudrillard's 'Disneyland' argument is his most famous, and probably most coherent, philosophical statement. It's in Simulations, but he might have talked about it elsewhere else as well. I can't read very much of that guy without getting annoyed by all the games he plays. Sat, 27 May 2006 01:55:39 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#39aff019-f18c-40d8-af34-7eecdc253449 barnaby 2006-05-27T01:55:39Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#9ac42ce3-f937-4136-927a-7b84bb1748a4 to be specifically specific... ; 0 Sat, 27 May 2006 00:51:35 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#9ac42ce3-f937-4136-927a-7b84bb1748a4 podp 2006-05-27T00:51:35Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#52f7806f-73d6-4b12-b5eb-f9935ebd85e8 ah , actually that quote's probably a bit off... cause it was more specifically a specific swipe at America having created the themepark culture... if anyone happens to have that book... and wants to pull it up exact... Sat, 27 May 2006 00:49:34 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#52f7806f-73d6-4b12-b5eb-f9935ebd85e8 podp 2006-05-27T00:49:34Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#a032b54f-afb6-48ea-b6d2-0066b75bbe8a i didn't read this thru, but i was once at a great lecture from jerry brown ( in his days inbetween being eaten alive by political agendas ) where he quoted Baudrilliard... most probably from this book where he says about the simulacrum: " Disneyland was created just so that everyone would think that the world we actually live in is real." hahahahaha , it gives me belly laughs everytime... even in its creepy precision. ah and then poor jerry, the incurable political junky, had to go and mainline again. Sat, 27 May 2006 00:35:50 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#a032b54f-afb6-48ea-b6d2-0066b75bbe8a podp 2006-05-27T00:35:50Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#3be30436-bc36-461c-ac72-2709a1b90639 NO! it must have been Baudrilliard's America? Sat, 27 May 2006 00:27:16 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#3be30436-bc36-461c-ac72-2709a1b90639 Με||όώ 2006-05-27T00:27:16Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#2038f528-92d4-48cf-81ce-e94c3518c102 Could you be referring to this book? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0860919781/sr=8-1/qid=1148689412/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-6249724-3217529?%5Fencoding=UTF8 Sat, 27 May 2006 00:23:59 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#2038f528-92d4-48cf-81ce-e94c3518c102 barnaby 2006-05-27T00:23:59Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#c33d5aaa-2280-445a-b153-f21be28d22ac maybe it was baudrilliard's America? Sat, 27 May 2006 00:22:13 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#c33d5aaa-2280-445a-b153-f21be28d22ac Με||όώ 2006-05-27T00:22:13Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#fc094c5f-f830-49f7-9b2f-f8c97824ff1c You're probably thining of Jean Baudrillard, who published a book called simply 'America'. Fri, 26 May 2006 22:59:32 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#fc094c5f-f830-49f7-9b2f-f8c97824ff1c Marie Therese 2006-05-26T22:59:32Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#9c606dcb-50cf-4e9a-b5b6-c30804659af1 perhaps you're thinking of baudrilliard's /america/? Fri, 26 May 2006 22:58:00 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#9c606dcb-50cf-4e9a-b5b6-c30804659af1 brendan 2006-05-26T22:58:00Z http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#1c252e2d-dcdf-4689-a9c7-ed7e0744a1a7 Who was the post-structuralist philosopher that wrote essays on America? I don't think it was Derrida, I'm not thinking of Barthes, and it was pre-BHL's latest on the USA after de Toqueville. Anybody? Fri, 26 May 2006 21:16:58 GMT http://frenchphilo.tribe.net/thread/646a2361-d4a6-4ef2-a944-ddc2f23cadc1#1c252e2d-dcdf-4689-a9c7-ed7e0744a1a7 kalsang 2006-05-26T21:16:58Z